Are there any Creationists out there?

Bruce

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Here's a very unusual thing about this planet. It is almost a binary with its big moon. Now that moon is essential to keep the axis of rotation stable. Without this the axis tilt would vary like Mars and agriculture would never have started.
I reckon its very likely there are no other similar planets. And we might well have ruined this one already.
But here is what is sad... geo-engineering could save us if we for example put thousands of sunshades in orbit . Alas we are squandering the resources which could have done this by fighting amongst ourselves. US plus China military budgets comes to about 1000 billion dollars.
 

Yenn

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Are those who say farmed animals don't have a good life really aware of what farmed animal life is really like. The beef reared around here is living a good life right up to the day of slaughter. In my days years ago, working with beef, shep pigs and poultry, we had to provide a good lifestyle for them or they would not prosper. Farmers can't afford to mistreat animals, with the exception of modern factory farming methods. Those methods of course are designed to keep the cost of meat down to the consumer. Actually naturally fed meat tastes better than the factory produced stuff, but we do pay a premium for it.
 

Yenn

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They don't get the chance, the good tasting stuff is not in the supermarket as the mark up is not high enough for Coles, Woolies etc.
I buy mine from a local grower, who spends a lot of time carting it 150km or more, to sell at local markets or deliver previously ordered meat.
The price is higher, but the extra work and fuel used would not cover the cost.
I was producing milk in the sixties for 36 pence a gallon. That is 30 cents. In the intervening years wages have gone from about $25 per week to I don't know what but milk has increased about 12 fold in price. Wages should be about $300 and I am sure they are a lot higher than that.
 

Bruce

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What sort of meat Yenn?
I sure agree with you about wages and prices. I would love to be able to have a young helper around here, but the costs of employing anybody are way higher than the returns their labour can produce. And then there is the legal risk, you could lose the whole farm from an injury claim. Turbs says to stop complaining and think of a scheme so profitable that we can employ people and still make money. Well I'm trying but need to be smarter than I am. In the meantime, its better to produce less and be safer.

Did you see the proposal to force new immigrants to spend some years in "regions" ? Maybe there will be thousands of new immigrants on welfare around here, and we will not be able to afford them either.
 

Yenn

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We buy grass fed beef, sheep and goat meat, plus free range pig meat. Sadly our chook grower closed up and is moving to a bigger property and we don't know, if or when he will resume production.
Factory produced food is poor. I had a restaurant meal in Victoria, supposedly rabbit, but it was so tasteless that I complained bitterly and got it for half price. Having grown up eating rabbit, both caged bunnies that I kept and those I shot in the wild, I reckon I know what it tastes like.
As for seafood, we have one of the longest coastlines of any country and only a tiny population, but we import 70% according to Old Koreelah. No doubt other countries are plundering our offshore fisheries.
 

Bruce

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Tomato sauce is apparently surprisingly good for you. There is something in tomatoes which needs cooking to make available.
And I will argue that rainfed pasture meat is kinder to animal life and the environment than what vegetarians eat.
 
That is true but the SALT and SUGAR aren't that good. Vegetables don't emit Methane till you turn them into Peat and let the atmosphere get at them Takes billions of years. The ANIMALS have to eat vegetables, seeds nuts and grasses so they have to be there anyhow, Vegans are PEOPLE too. Until they force YOU to be one what's the problem? Forcing someone to BELIEVE in a certain form of a god is a frightening concept though. Surely you would just tell a lie and pretend you believed and keep your head. Forcing someone to believe. That doesn't make sense, does it?
 

Bruce

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I don't have any problem with accepting vegans and in fact I admire them. There was one who was a mate of mine and he used to complain to me of open-class gliding tasks under 600km on the grounds they were artificially short to suit unhealthy people who couldn't fly with complete concentration for 6 or 7 hours at a time. He flew an ASH 25 at the time.
What I object to is the portrayal of meat-producers as being cruel to animals and destructive of the environment. Maybe caged animals fed with irrigated grain fit this criticism, but grass-fed pasture animals sure don't. Just look up stuff on " food and the environment " and you will see the nonsense I am referring to.