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Litespeed

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Nuclear is a non starter economically. No government has ever had one built without giving the private company a indemnity on insurance and backing the loan.

That means the taxpayer is stuck with any bills from a accident, has to pay for decommissioning and also stump up for any loans made to build it even though it is for private ownership and profit. Also have to pay a guaranteed price that keeps going up for the power over the life of the plant.

Not even the Lnp are that stupid, almost but not quite.
 

Yenn

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Our government has just realised that the taxpayer is stuck with the clean up of closed down coal mines now. That just came out yesterday on the news.
They are just coming to realise what any thinking person has known for years. Bu they still want Adani to go ahead.
A mine that will cost the government billions and will never make a profit in Australia, so no taxes paid.
 

spacesailor

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Question ?
How good would solar be in. Manchester & Liverpool UK, Plus lots more town's that have FEW sunny day's to work those panels.
Cotton mills were put there because of the high humidity, dry cotton breaks too easily, to get through the process of changing HAIR to thread, & Linen.

Another NEAR miss !. Asteroids HAVE & WILL hit Earth. Plus the moon.
A nuclear winter will have a disastrous effect on Air quality & usable sunlight.
spacesailor
 

Old Koreelah

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Question ?
How good would solar be in. Manchester & Liverpool UK, Plus lots more town's that have FEW sunny day's to work those panels....
I dunno Spacey, but people are still installing them. At that latitude, wind, wave, tidal and other renewables are promising.

...Another NEAR miss !. Asteroids HAVE & WILL hit Earth. Plus the moon.
A nuclear winter will have a disastrous effect on Air quality & usable sunlight.
spacesailor
All true. Who knows what will happen? Greenland ice is melting so fast it could disrupt the Gulf Stream, plunging Western Europe into a massive winter. One or more big volcanoes could spew out enough ash to reverse recent global warming.

We can't do much about those events. All we can do is prepare for what ARE certain of.
 

octave

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How good would solar be in. Manchester & Liverpool UK, Plus lots more town's that have FEW sunny day's to work those panels.
Solar power in the United Kingdom - Wikipedia

"The UK's annual insolation is in the range of 750–1,100 kilowatt-hours per square metre (kWh/m²). London receives 0.52 and 4.74 kWh/m² per day in December and July, respectively.[20] While the sunniest parts of the UK receive much less solar radiation than the sunniest parts of Europe, the country's insolation in the south is comparable with that of central European countries, including Germany, which generates about 7% of its electricity from solar power.[21] Additionally, the UK's higher wind speeds cool PV modules, leading to higher efficiencies than could be expected at these levels of insolation.[22]"

Also Solar power for new, blue CIS tower
 

Bruce

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Nuclear power has moved on from the dark ages. They don't have to produce dangerous stuff anymore. Do some research on the latest stuff.
But I agree Australia will not be the first country to do anything.
As for greenies, it is accepted that they are not all scientifically ignorant, but their official policies sure are. Their policy on open door immigration makes no sense to me at all for several reasons. I reckon they are typical of the generation which takes food for granted to such an extent that they feel free to attack farmers at every opportunity.
And I know a green-voting woman who is proud of her natural granite benchtop, and I don't have the meanness in me to tell her that granite makes a geiger-counter click.
 

Bruce

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Old K, I have tried to think of a bore-casing that will take the heat and pressure and not corrode out..PVC is way to soft at high temperatures. What a shame, all that energy there and no way to get at it. It is better than a nuclear power station in that it can be turned on and off quickly.
It would be great if a solution, like applying a cathodic protection current, were to be found.
I don't regret investing in them, the idea just had to be explored.
 

facthunter

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John Howard reckons the GREENS are the real enemies of progress. and Honest Johnnie is just a terrific bloke you should all listen to if you want a reason to suicide. If this comment concerns/ depresses you, contact lifeline or beyond blue on the usual numbers. Nev
 

willedoo

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On the SA geothermal story...
I lost money investing in the SA hot rocks, and what happened was that their stainless steel bore casings rusted out too quickly and this made the project non-viable.
Under certain chemical circumstances, stainless steel can rust out just as fast as anything.
What a shame huh... natural energy, always available, which could be turned on and off real fast and complement the wind and solar. A good investment huh.
Actually, it is the radioactivity of granite rocks which is the true source of the energy, but the greenies would never know that.
Bruce, I used to drive past the site regularly but don't know a great deal about it. I would have thought that even without the technical problems it would have been unviable do to the remoteness. It's a long way from any markets. What they need is hot rocks somewhere near a decent population base.
 

nomadpete

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Grid access would be important to the commercial viability of any generator.
However, the cost can be arranged if there is a will. For instance, the Queensland government arranged for extension of the national grid all the way to Roma at a cost (I believe) in the region of 2 billion dollars over two years. Just so the coal seam gas can be pumped out to ships.
Shame that no government saw fit to offer to stump up the cash to connect from the ideal location of the hot rocks project. Also sad that CSIRO weren't able to add their respected research capabilities to finding a solution to the bore casing problem.
 

willedoo

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You have to hand it to them though, sticking it out for eight or nine years before pulling the pin. Not sure what the total cost was; I read somewhere dated 2012 that they'd spent 700 million at that stage.

As an edit to a post of mine last night - after I mentioned Moomba using diesel generators powered by crude, I realized they have gas powered turbines.
They fuel some vehicles with crude, or at least they did when I last worked out there seven years ago. A year ago Santos was starting a heat recovery project where they recover and recycle waste heat from their turbines. It's recycled back to the turbines so they output more electricity and steam with the same amount of gas input. The hope is that it will free up more gas to sell, as well as lower emissions.
 
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nomadpete

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Yes, they did give their geothermal project a good go. Gotta admire that . Also admire all those who put up hard cash to fund it. Its a pity that we don't have government nor big investor will to progress the concept to completion.
Any new method of doing things requires expensive 'proof of concept' work. They achieved that. No doubt the materials problems that they found, can be solved in due course.
I live in hope that someone, somewhere (in Australia) can leverage the powers that be, to make geothermal power a reality. The biggest hurdle is the up front capital cost, since running costs should be low.
 

willedoo

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The science and technical side of it seems to work. The Paralana project near the Beverley uranium mine closed in 2014 due to lack of capital. They secured $24.5 million as a Renewable Energy Development Program grant but couldn't raise another $5 million needed. A bit sad really, as the technical side of it worked. I worked there briefly in 2011 building an earth tank for them, when it was just a capped well and a couple of dongas.

Surprised me that it closed because of a lack of $5 million. The geothermal company was partnered with Beach; I would have thought Beach could have come up with that funding to make it work. But I suppose it coincided with the big oil price crash and Beach were probably struggling as much as Santos at that time. Right place, wrong time.
 

Old Koreelah

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I believe the best hot rocks site is around Birdsville-far from consumers- but a reasonably good site is right under Liddell Power station. Turbines, generators, transmission gear all ready to connect to a cleaner source of hot water...
 

spacesailor

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Conspiety thery, This and all governments don't want you to know "When the End is Nie".
They say "it's to stop panic".
But now we know it's Soley to stop you pulling all your money out of the banks, to have the last fling.
Empty banks after the .event, leaves a Big hole in any suviving government's ability to rebuild.
Not all government's Own banks. But the rich Bank owner's own governments.
spacesailor
 

Bruce

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I like your spelling space. It has character and anyway the idea of only one correct way to spell was invented by a guy who just wanted people to buy his new-fangled dictionary.
On banks: The funny thing about our banks is how they mainly started out as government owned and then got sold off.
I remember liking Keating until he sold the Commonwealth bank.
 
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