Victorian election

Bruce

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#21
They get an exemption willedoo. And we all have to pay more tax than otherwise, so we are all paying for terrorism indoctrination. ( I looked up if islam is included in the tax free business and concluded that it is)
 

octave

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#22
A Doveton milk bar worker was hit over the head with a metal pole by two masked men who then stole cigarettes and a cash register. Not to worry. Only another statistic.
Red do you honestly think I am saying that there is no crime in Melbourne? Do you think I am insensitive to the victim's crime?
Are you saying that I could not find instances of violent crime in other cities?

There are cities that have no crime, some cities have a lower rate of crime and some have a higher rate. We usually measure these things with statistics so we get a true representation of what is occurring. This in no way lessens the trauma of being a victim of crime but your anecdote says nothing about whether you or I are more or less likely to be attacked or injured or whether you are more likely to be a victim of crime in Melbourne as opposed to Sydney or any other city.

If the Libs had said that we can do better on crime than the current government I would have no problem with that. As it was they could have rightfully pointed out that in the last year there has been an 11% increase in sexual assaults but I certainly did not hear any mention (by either party) of that statistic.

A friend of mine owns 2 Thai restaurants, he is incensed at pollies pushing the line that people should be afraid to go out to a restaurant at night.

Anyway, my main points are:

There is no evidence that the average Melbournian is afraid to go out at night, some may, but that applies to most cities

A campaign could have been run by promising to reduce crime without resorting to the overreach of claiming that there is a "tsunami"
of crime and that we are all cowering in our homes at night.

It does concern me that sexual assaults have gone the other way and have increased by 11%. Although I think that needs to be addressed, I would not refer to it as a "tsunami", for me, it is about keeping it rational. By the way, all sides of politics do use this kind of overreach with various issues often successfully but I think people are becoming cynical. I am concerned about crime but not hysterical.

This tactic seems to have failed especially in the electorates where this was pushed the hardest.

My plea to all politicians is "please don't treat me like an idiot, I am rational and I don't like being to have to endure your attempts to win me over with emotion, I will check facts.

I did find this clip amusing and illuminating. "Chris Pyne forgets his lines"

Christopher Pyne is asked if he is afraid to go to restaurants in Melbourne
 

Bruce

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#23
And it's no good saying you belong to the aircraft religion or something like that. You need to have a supernatural powerful spirit and some sort of organized rituals to praise this spirit. Not kidding, you can look up the tax laws.
 

Bruce

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#24
Octave, in my opinion you are right about crime in Melbourne. Sexual assault may not have actually increased though, that is a crime which has mainly gone unreported because of the repercussions on the victim for reporting. So it may be that an apparent increase is a sign of a healthier society because victims are less afraid of reporting than they were.
I would still be hard on refugees who commit crimes in the country which has given them refuge. They should have their new citizenship revoked and deported back to where they came from.
 

facthunter

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#25
Borrowing specifically for infrastructure is considered "Normal" in International economic circles. The population growth (more houses paying rates etc and rail tickets and inflation pay it off. The credit is at a low AAA rate better than private individuals get.. You would be going against all accepted principles and practices to not do it. when appropriate as it was in this instance.. Victorian Voters accepted it and many Lib voters voted Labor for the first time ever. No one predicted the extent of the swing. Blue ribbon Liberal seats forever in Melbourne, fell to Labor. What happened was literally a wipe out for the Liberals Matthew Guy has resigned (as expected).. With Melbourne expanding to a world sized city it needs to spend on infrastructure to function.. Only Vienna is rated above it as best place to live currently.. Interference by Dutton, Turnbull and shouty Sco mo were not appreciated by Melbournians.. Any fool would work that out. Nev.
 

willedoo

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#26
And it's no good saying you belong to the aircraft religion or something like that. You need to have a supernatural powerful spirit and some sort of organized rituals to praise this spirit. Not kidding, you can look up the tax laws.
Bruce, I wonder how the Pastafarians would go. Maybe they don't have an organized financial structure. In New Zealand, weddings performed by Pastafarian ministers are now legally recognized. And I wonder if they call the ministers pastas.
 

Bruce

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#27
I tried to google if pastafarians were recognized by the ATO. All I found was that Rastafarians are recognised in pommy prisons.
Bad news huh, it seems an intelligent religion. ( pastafarians that is...).
 

willedoo

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#28
The Pastafarians have some odd beliefs, but if you look at the bible in a non religious, analytical way, the Christian story is just as bizzare.

God made the world in 6 days then had Sunday off. That takes a lot of power and skill to do that. But why six days? Was he busy making dirt, trees and rocks, and logistically it just takes a few days, even for a god? I would have thought if he had that power, it would be done in one big bang with a wave of the wand. Then he made Adam and Eve and some animals, fruit trees etc.. That's odd, he's just made a planet in six days, so why just make two humans. Why not make thousands of them to hurry the begatting along a bit. It would be a relatively easy task after making a world in a week. The odd thing is, he can make a planet, but can't stop kids getting cancer.

If there is an afterlife, my bet is that it's the same whether you wear a cross around your neck or a colander on your head. The same whether whether you are a member of the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, or believe in the planet maker.

None of them should be bludging on us to carry the can and pay their way. Tax them all, I say. Churches benefit from tax funded infrastructure and services, so they should pay their share.

PS: if you don't hear from me again, I've been struck down by lightning.
 
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coljones

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#29
One is one too many. People are genuinely scared. But not going out at night means the thugs win. Many people I know are fed up with the lenient treatment being handed out. Slap on the wrist with a wet lettuce leaf. Social media is full of complaints. Many shop keepers are giving up and getting out after being robbed 3 or 4 times, often by the same gangs. And how many of those caught plead "I have a mental illness."?
Victoria was always known as the murder state, even before the Morans turned up. Searching for the mote while ignoring the log helps out no-one.
 
#30
And here am I thinking (per capita) Adelaide is (or was) the city of churches because of the services required for the abnormally high (per capita) murder rate

How things have changed
 
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Bruce

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#32
The 7 days of the week come from the 7 heavenly bodies known to the first civilization. Mercury, Venus, sun, moon, mars, jupiter and Saturn.
To this day, we have Sunday, Moonday and Saturnday. If those pesky vikings had not jumped in with TiwsDay, Wodensday , Thorsday and Freyaday then we would still have them properly named.
Well at least there is a female up there, Freya. Better than that misogynistic middle-east lot with their all-male trinity huh.
 

Marty_d

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#33

facthunter

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#35
I've worked out why we fall short of the glory of god. INBREEDING. From a base of only two people what would you expect? Also there was a bit of" keep it in the family" in the early days of the Abrahamics adding to the effect.. "Days" are just epoch's or periods, so I wouldn't get too worked up about the small time, probably an error of translation as is the word for Virgin and young girl. which was the one word. Nev
 

Marty_d

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#36
LNP don't have a monopoly on scare tactics.
No, but they do love hitting the "law and order" button when they're not hitting the "stop the boats" one.

Labor at least had something valid to scare people about, elements in the LNP would happily privatise Medicare and the rest of the public service for that matter.
 

Bruce

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#37
It is only with homicide that you get an idea about the territory. I was there when the deal was that it was no good ringing the police to complain about indigenous crime. This sure would make the crime statistics show very little indigenous crime huh.
 
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